Monday, November 16, 2009

I'm reposting here what I was just forced to post in my own comments.

Just in case I haven't been clear about my politics, I'm a feminist who is also pro-men and pro-men's studies. I aim to be neither hurtful nor deliberately inflammatory, and I prefer that people not be hurtful or deliberately inflammatory to me or others on my blog.

With that in mind, I'm turning off anonymous comments until [the post in question] falls into the backlist, because my feelings and temper have felt a little... attacked by certain commenters here. I can't believe you don't know who you are; if you read my blog, you already know what I stand for.

If you want to come forward bravely under your own name and stand behind those kinds of comments, please be my guest.

32 comments:

Jill Myles said...

Lord, thank you for saying something. I was sitting here choking on my own frothing rage.

:)

I bet he does not flush out, either.

Stephanie L. McGee said...

Yeesh. Some people just can't help themselves and have to create drama wherever they go. Sorry you have to regulate things so much.

Lisa Dez said...

You're not the only one, Moonie. Both Kristen Nelson and Nathan Bransford have done the same thing recently. It's a shame that anon commenters feel compelled to hijack blogs for their personal agendas.

Laura said...

See, this is why I think you should invest heavily in the "slap to the face" model of blogging.

Give me $20, and when people say stupid things on your blog I track them down and slap them in the face.

--Laura (of Pimp my Novel and now Combreviations, but mostly of slap-town USA)

Lydia Sharp said...

Unfortunately, I can't say I didn't see this coming. Many have had to do this recently. Such a shame...

Haha. Good idea, Laura.

Heather Lane said...

The weird thing about the comments were that they were really run-of-the-mill, no imagination, women do housework (and choose it), men don't participate in family life type comments. I feel a bit sorry for him. For borrowing age-old arguments, and not really understanding them anyway. I didn't feel angry--I just feel that he missed the boat.

I want to set Laura loose!

Leona said...

It's sad when people attack anonymously. I feel like freedom of opinion means you claim that opinion or you lose it, buddy.

Thanks for your frankness on your posts. i make it part of my morning blog reads :)

Have a good rest of the month.

Alissa said...

Well, glad I took the time to read the little comment war between anonymous and Maggie Stiefvater (who is a really awesome writer by the way even if what she writes is for "kids" and has romance an not-real stuff in them) it was endlessly entertaining. My guess is anonymous may not have posted his name because he is one of the judges who picks the books for the PW list. Well, the list would make sense if it was people like that who were on the panel, wouldn't it?

Laurel said...

J K Rowling's name appears as only initials on the Harry Potter books because her publisher (? maybe it was agent) was concerned that MG boys would be unwilling to buy/read a book by a woman.

In the 1990s.

It isn't rampant or deliberate, but it still happens. I have had the actual, real life experience of having someone tell me, point blank, I was well qualified, better than the other applicants, great language skills, and the unique mix of biology and cultural experience that the job required but they were uncomfortable placing a woman in the position due to Latin American machismo. (Double points for that one. Stereotyping women and Latinos.)

So Moonie, from a pretty conservative blog follower who does not consider herself a "feminist" so much as a "humanist", or maybe even "individualist", this is not just in your head.

arnorris said...

When I first started looking into publishing my work, sci-fi, I was told in many blog discussions with experts that I should use my initials. They went on to explain that my very female name wouldn't be taken seriously in the sci-fi genre.

As a successful corporate woman, I felt slapped in the face. In retrospect I know that I was naive to be surprised and shocked. I guess I just expected it in my career field, but not in the writing world. (What was I thinking?)

This just really brings it to the forefront for me.

Helen said...

Ech, I saw Anon's comments, and all I could think was that someone's pouting because not enough goats are going over their bridge these days, and the poor wee lump is huuungry.

Marie Mutsuki Mockett said...

Please send him to my post at the Well Read Donkey.

Also, since I know you, I know full good and well that you don't have an issue with me. Also, unlike most people, you actually work in publishing and have an inkling into how it works.

You know of what you speak.

Andrea Cremer said...

Applauding you, Moonrat!

Ello said...

I'd call that anonymous poster a male chauvinist pig, but hey I like pigs! So how about male chauvinist asshole instead?

Seriously, Maggie and Angelle were so cool! I didn't respond because I was going to go to the cuckoo place and that wouldn't have been pretty.

maybegenius said...

You know, it really saddens me that as feminists, we often feel obligated to add the addendum "I am a feminist who is also pro-men," as if we have to immediately nix the assumption that being feminist somehow automatically makes us anti-men. I know I'm guilty of it, as well, and I think it sucks. It sucks that the prevalent stereotype of feminism continues to be the snarling, man-hating bitch. Really, those women who claim to be feminists while being vehemently anti-male are not feminists at all - they're misandrists, and no better than misogynists.

It's just crappy that we still feel the need to couch any sort of criticism of male preference in the language of "Don't get me wrong, I *love* men, men are great, but..." I absolutely agree that the pendulum shouldn't swing too far in the other direction, but I do get so tired of having to preemptively phrase my feminist arguments to make sure the message of "I AM NOT ANTI-MALE, I AM PRO-EQUALITY, THAT IS ALL" is obvious in my words. It's silly, really... why would I be anti-men? Men are a part of my existence. Just because I think I deserve to be valued as much as they do doesn't mean I'm trying to tear them down.

Yikes, sorry for the mini-rant! I'm sorry someone felt the need to post such goofiness behind the anonymity of the internet.

Raval911 said...

Wow...I'm still kinda stunned from readin' anon's drivel. A hearty round of applause to everyone's even tempered yet fierce and quite on point handling of that nonsense, my cringe was replaced by a smile when I read the follow up comments. It's such a old, dull strategy 2 pretend 2 give a history lesson and omit all the relevant, incriminating factors, i.e. patriarchy and oppression...smh. Cheers, everyone!

Keith Popely said...

I'm against anon posting In general. If you're ashamed to put your name on something, then don't write it. I applaud your barring anon posts.

Alice Kildaire said...

I would be willing to contribute to the "slap in the face" fund :-)

Ann Victor said...

Moonrat, I'm very sorry that you've had to be subjected to rudeness by people are unable to hold their own opinions without demeaning others opinions - to doso without even having the courage to sign their own names! I think of Voltaire: “I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

You have every right (especially on your own blog!) to express your views with passion. If someone disagrees with you (as I did on the gender based list), it should be done with respect and kindness. I continually look forward to you stirring my thoughts and my ideas, even if I don't always agree with them!

Emily Cross said...

Maybegenius - excellent post!

Moonie -i'm really sorry you had to have that explode on your blog (reminds me of what happened with Cindy Pon post too). It seems alot of people lately have had to turn off the anon function due to these sort of flaming.
Fair deuce to Maggie and angelle for their comments

CKHB said...

Sigh.

The Novelist said...

Way to go Moonrat! Hold to your principles!

Imogen said...

I think the wonderful sci-fi/nu-slang typo "We're seeing a dorp in output" in Anon's first comment just about summed it up. That's what Anon is - a dorp.

Dana King said...

For the record, I am the father of a daughter. I wish to officially disassociate myself from any opinions expressed by the anonymous commenter discussed here.

I freely admit some of my opinions may spark disagreement by many female writers and readers; some won't. He's a troglodyte and a cretin.

Diana said...

Wow, I went back and read the anonymous comments and I felt time-warped back to the sixties and seventies. I didn't think there were any people left who actually believed that kind of crap.

The Rejectionist said...

We are sending you a lot of hearts from our brain. NO RETREAT NO SURRENDER.

JES said...

Yeesh. My Y chromosome shudders.

Good for you, Moonie.

Christa said...

maybegenius -- perfectly stated. I couldn't agree more.

Jane Steen said...

Anon's comments were silly and deliberately provocative, and yes, he should have had the balls to put his name to them, but let's move on. He was probably a drive-by commenter who has gone elsewhere to infuriate another blogger.

Female writers are best served by exactly what you were doing when attacked, Moonrat - telling the world about the good writing that's out there. I love hearing about that great stuff that you just don't see on the big displays at B&N. Book/publishing bloggers are wonderful sources for extending my reading scope.

All this did give me pause for thought, though. I started looking at my own bookshelves to see whether I had a gender bias. Up till now I don't think I'd ever given a writer's gender a thought! they are either writing something I want to read, or not. I think I will add "male/female" tags to my Library Thing lists to see where I'm at, and will report back to you.

Michael Reynolds said...

I'm a writer because my wife, K.A. Applegate told me to get my sh*t together and start writing.

My wife is a better writer than I am (although I work harder.)

And if I ever dissed female writers I would have to hide all the knives in the house.

writtenwyrdd said...

I completely missed the comment thread in question (and don't feel the need to go read it now) but I'm sorry for trollishness on your blog.

Simon Hay Soul Healer said...

And this is why I visit. I find you here.