Thursday, August 07, 2008

what's up with bitches?!

Not specific to publishing today... more generally about the workplace. Anyone who has ever worked in an office, PLEASE feel free to explain this bitches phenomenon to me.

My friend Jackie is currently working as a paralegal in a large corporate law firm. There are about a dozen other paralegals working with her, half of whom are female. One of the girls, Rory, is friendly with Jackie. The others Jackie has had a funny feeling about from the beginning. They seemed, she told me from the start, a little plastic and catty. They gave her a real "I used to be really popular in high school" feel. However, Jackie's the kind to like you until forced not to like you. Always innocent until proven guilty.

The trouble is, the other "girls"--I can't help thinking of them as such, since they act like they're 12--have systematically lashed out with the Cat. Some of the behavior is just silly--e.g. gossip-mongering at lunch. On one occasion, one of the Plastics asked Jackie if it were true she was secretly having an affair with one of the young associates. (It's common knowledge that both Jackie and the associate have Others.)

Although all four of the Plastics eat lunch in combinations with one another, when one of them is left out, she sits with Jackie and Rory and starts bitching about how backstabbing one of the other plastics is, trying to sabotage her paralegal position so that she can get a better recommendation from one of the partners, etc. Also, it's, like, so obvious that Rebecca is totally trying to steal Marissa's style, because she thinks that will make her cooler. What a loser. (You know.)

Two of these girls went as far as to make fun of Jackie to her face for "uncool" behavior--she stuttered during a court session once, and they came up behind her afterward in the hallway and mimicked her stutter before running away with their hands clasped over their mouths in giggles. For real--that happened. These are all women in their mid- to late-twenties, not teenagers.

Luckily, Jackie isn't one to take bullpoop and she also isn't one to engage with people she doesn't like or respect. Even so, I know this got to her a little from the way she talked about it. Her personal philosophy, though, is that cattiness is a two-way street: if she doesn't respond to catty behavior, eventually the perpetrators will shrivel up and die. Or at least leave her alone in favor of some other target.

She calls me periodically and gives me the update on their shenanigans. Each one I hear confuses me more and more. For example, the story from yesterday:

[Faye, the third plastic, is talking to Jackie online.]

Faye: Did you see Becky's new hairdo?
Jackie: Oh, yeah.
Faye: Doesn't she look awful?
Jackie: I don't know. It seems fine.
Faye: Don't you think it looks like those are fake extensions? Like she's trying to look like Michael Jackson or something?
Jackie: I don't really pay attention to those things, I guess.


[Faye gives up, starts a conversation with Rory.]

Faye: Doesn't Becky's new hairdo look awful?
Rory: It seems ok to me.
Faye: Don't you think it looked better before, though?
Rory: I guess.
Faye: Doesn't it look like she has fake extensions, though?
Rory: Yeah, I guess so.
Faye: Ugh! Don't you think extensions are awful? I would NEVER wear them!
Rory: No, me neither.


[Rory goes to lunch with Jackie; Faye goes with Becky. They sit within earshot.]

Fay (to Becky): Oh my god, that girl Rory is such a bitch. She pretends to be all nice and friendly, and she does nothing but slander people behind their back! You know what she told me this morning? She hates your new haircut. She says it looks like you have fake extensions, and that she'd NEVER wear fake extensions! I was thinking to myself, dude, Becky's my *friend*, what's your problem telling me this?! Don't you think she's so out of line?


After lunch, Jackie and Rory, who was confused and angry, compared notes. Going through her instant message conversations, Jackie has found tons of "Don't you think...?" messages from Faye. Luckily, she's not the kind of person to get involved in a conversation like that. But seriously.

These are all future professionals, none of whom are really in direct competition with one another, all working together in a setting that doesn't in any way encourage favoritism or imply anyone is going to get any special perks. So why are these girls wasting daylight hours trying to gash one another's eyes out? I just don't understand. How does any of this make their lives happier or more meaningful? How did they get to be this old and still think that arbitrarily making other people's lives more difficult or painful was a good or beneficial thing?

Jackie says the hardest part for her is all the dialogue--including some considerable dialogue from some of these perpetrators--about how women are oppressed in the corporate workplace, how they are sabotaged at every turn. But... who's doing the sabotage?

I'm angry on Jackie's behalf for this stupidity. Seriously. What's up with bitches? WHAT?!? What is their point?! Why would someone choose to be a bitch? Why can't they be nice?!

So most importantly, what can we do about bitches? When they're not making me furious, I'm sad for them, that they think they need to live their lives in strike-down competition. Are there magic words we can say to diffuse them?

I work in a place where there are literally no catty females. Which is maybe why this whole scenario seems a little far-fetched to me. But gosh does hearing about this make me appreciate my colleagues even more.

Your thoughts?

38 comments:

Joseph Devon said...

I don't know. Confining them to paralegal status seems to be working.

ehadams23 said...

The only way to avoid toxic coworkers is to avoid them. Be polite, but don't be their friend. If they complain about someone you can listen, but don't encourage it. I work in a department of twenty other women- many of whom are very nice, and some of whom are not- and the only way I stay sane is to keep myself professional and separate from them.

I also work in a law firm (in research) and many of the legal secretaries and paralegals do tend to be pretty nasty. They send us the rudest emails sometimes. I just remind myself that they probably have to deal with asshole lawyers all day and then take pity on them.

Clair Dickson said...

I usually go the polite but non-interactive route at first. Eventually, I'm forced into silent mode. I won't participate. I've even been known to bring a book to lunch to stop conversations.

These women are dreadfully insecure and desperately craving what they mistakenly think is friendship and validation. When they come up with something catty, they are in control and they are important. That's why they have to keep coming up with more stuff. In my opinion.

emeraldcite said...

I think, for some people, the best years of their lives occurred in high school and they never had any serious goals.

It seems like they don't strive for anything better, so they sought out what makes them comfortable.

Can't imagine what they'll all be like when they're fifty.

They'll all be doomed to failed relationships because none of the plastics will ever be able to take anything seriously or be supportive in any real, non-adolescent way.

Sad. Sad. Sad.

Zoe said...

I found books like Odd Girl Out to be helpful in understanding dynamics like these. What's that you say about it being about junior high girls? Well, yes, but the behaviors are all the same, so to me, it all applies.

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Colorado Writer said...

Whew! I posted too quickly. Let's try it again.

As a recent victim to a Plastic Mean Girl attack, my only response to BEO-TCHES is a Mona Lisa Giggle.

It's a smile that says "YOU have no effect on me whatsoever and no matter how hard you try, I will never be as desperate for attention as you are.

And I know that inside, down deep, the Mean Plastic Girl is a wannabe popular girl with no real friends.

Mean girls SUCK.

Jolie said...

Mmm, isn't it satisfying to bitch about bitches? Like having your own personal reality TV show to make fun of. An ongoing lesson in how not to behave.

Moonrat, I'm charmed that you really don't get why these girls act like this. And I'm not trying to be condescending; I am truly impressed that the bitch mindset is foreign to you. That makes you a rare specimen of Awesome.

Having been a repeated victim of this behavior when I was in middle/high school, and having stooped to it myself at that time because of the failure of my attempts to be generous, I DO understand why people act this way. There IS a competition in that office, but not for professional gain. Wanting to be the coolest paralegal who gets the best recommendations is just a cover for wanting to be the coolest, most desired, most envied woman in every aspect of life. It's plain old insecurity. I understand the urge to act this way. I just don't understand how, at their age, these girls can still think this behavior will get them anywhere good.

As I said before, when I was surrounded by this toxicity, my attempts at generous anti-toxicity didn't work. It just made me more of a target. Nowadays I take the straightforward approach, and if it doesn't get the bitches to like me, it at least makes them leave me alone in a practical sense (although I'm sure they still engage in useless behind-the-back talk). If I had been Jackie when the one girl talked about the other's hairdo, I'd have responded, "Why do you care?" or "Does it matter?" in an innocently curious tone, the way a therapist would sound. The girl can't make any response to that without being so bitchy (e.g., "Because it's hideous and hurts my soul") that even SHE can't fail to notice her own bitchiness.

I may be wrong, but I predict Jackie's attempts to be nice and/or neutral won't get the bullies to back off. Elementary school kids get bored and back off. Once they hit this perpetual adolescence, they don't leave the nice Jackie-type alone; they want to bring her down, so she has to show them that they can't. Unless she's okay with tolerating the status quo, anyway.

Again, I may be wrong. I hope this isn't terrible, counter-productive advice. It's just what I do. I let people know that I see what they really are, so that they don't assume I'm naive.

Chris Redding said...

You make me glad I work with mostly men.
cmr

Tannat Madiran said...

I began to salivate at this one.
First off bitches , especially the white urban professional types (though office help should carry more humility) are well known for their attempts at control.
These are the same little ladies who can only drink Starbucks, and always have that dead-behind-the eyes look when in bed because it reminds them of summer camp, Father O’Rourke, the neighbor kid, or their first trick. These women are tangled up and addicted to low budget pulp and the parallel offerings of the soap networks. When they are fed a steady diet of this, coupled with their bottomless psychoses, they tend to react bitterly to anyone not cut from their cloth.
Replication is the name of their game. They thought it was cool in school, so they replicate it in their workplace. They saw a movie about some gum-smacking party favor disguised as a woman and thought, “Ooooh, she’s pretty!” They mistake sarcasm, wit, and humor for vindictiveness, spite, and pure uncut evil.
The best thing to do is to leave them be. Yes I know, there is nothing more satisfying than the misty cloud of pink matter that was once a head after a .50 caliber round mushrooms it’s way through the paper-thin and hollow skull of one of these hose monkeys. But that would put them out of their misery. And we all know that’s doing them a favor.
Better to let them twist in the wind. Eventually, like all sick and dying animals, they get devoured. One will hump the leg of the wrong partner and get dismissed. Another will hump it, and when she doesn’t get a raise, she’ll be really smart and start making demands of him. *poof* She’ll be gone. Some will be so stupid as to put something in an email, which could accidentally get forwarded to HR. one might not realize that her online chats could be logged, printed and faxed anywhere, even forwarded in the body of an email. Others will not realize that the state in which they work has a clause about telephone conversations, where as long as one party knows they are being recorded, the other doesn’t have to. Some of those tapes could wind up with someone who has the authority to axe them.
But the slow death is the best kind. Knowing that they troll the wine bars for coke and cock, only to get used up and thrown away in their prime, well, could it get much better than that? I think not, unless maybe they show up to work with a huge herpes outbreak ringing their mouth.
They lack control, their pathetic little lives barely clinging to orbit around whatever TMZ post caught their eye this week. A trend in fashion. A clever saying. A t-shirt. It could be anything, though they tend to gravitate towards shiny things and famous people on TV.
Make it a game, I did when I too worked in a petri dish. When you view as them as the sick little rabid animals they are, and treat them accordingly, it can be quite fun. Just be careful that you don’t fall down into the same low sink of debauchery by pitting them against one another, as tempting as it is.

JES said...

When somebody's being an a'hole -- gender, sadly, is no proof against it -- my favorite tactic when they pause for breath (they eventually do) is to be silent, knit my brows, and bust out laughing. When they say, "What? WHAT?!?" I just swallow the laugh, grin, shake my head, and say, "Nothing. Don't worry about it."

Drives 'em crazy. Especially if I can arrange later to be seen in my boss's office, laughing.

I like Jolie's answer, too -- the quizzical therapist approach.

As to why people (girls, women, men, boys) are like this -- or like a'holes in general, over and over -- I have no idea. "Insecurity" seems awful pat, but maybe that is all it boils down to.

All that said, Moonie, I want to work in your office. :)

Anonymous said...

Your friend could write down all the conversations, etc., and use it in a novel or story. That'd be the best revenge, wouldn't it?

I think it's the nature of women to be catty unless there is a straight guy to dispense some testosterone into the air to calm them down. Just like hens in a hen house. Put in one cock, and things tend to cool down.

Charles Gramlich said...

wow, being around such people day in and day out would be so incredibly boring. I'm afraid I'd just one day burst out with insane screaming.

Natalie Hatch said...

I hope thats not their real names. Listen the older you get the less likely this is going to happen, it's part of the maturation phase that some women will take longer to get through it than others. A lot of insecure women do resort to this type of behaviour as a way of coping with their environment. Don't get involved, be a sounding board for your friend as a good friend should, and just thank the stars you don't work in a place like that. Your friend could just say to the group that she doesn't want to be a part of it, but that'd be giving ammunition. Sorry I can't help more.

Loquacious Me said...

And this is why I have exactly two female friends. Guys are so much easier. At least they bad-mouth you to your face, you punch them in the gut, and it's over!

I know at my company, excessive gossip is grounds for disciplinary action, up to and including termination. Seems to me those girls would be prime candidates.

Katherine said...

1. Not all offices are like this. Mine isn't, thank goodness. We all have too much work to do.

2. Document, document, document. There *is* a power struggle and a competition going on here. It might be about things outside of work, or it might be about jobs. It may be impossible to tell until it hits.

3. As previously posted, a*hole-ism is a gender-neutral trait.

4. These women are not bitches. Bitches are *intelligent*.

Further to the last point, the misogyny that is showing up in some of these comments boggles me as much as the catty behaviour reported in the post. I've worked in offices where the women were great and the men a*holes, and vice versa as well. It all just depends on the mix. These women are not being catty *because they're women* -- Jackie's and Rory's presence proves that. And even though the plastics sound awful, some of the comments about their sexual behaviour and other things that could not possibly be known from the post almost make me feel sorry for them (almost).

Actually, thanks for reminding us that men can be catty too. Gender equality means admitting that no set of genitals makes you out to automatically be a saint.

ilyakogan said...

I don't know why are you all are so surprised, indignant, and quick to label these women.

Every office has politics. The techy side of my company has about 90% male / 10% female composition.

You wouldn't believe how many people play politics. They might not be this petty but they are ugly nevertheless.

Ignoring and avoiding doesn't help. Constant vigilance is the answer. Be aware of what is going on. And don't think yourself high and mighty to get involved when you interests are at stake.

It's a jungle out there.

Moonrat, I'm sure there is a ton of this stuff going on at your job - you are probably not paying attention, and it's probably not so obvious and petty.

writtenwyrdd said...

It is confusing, and, you know? Reading this post made me say to myself, this is a novel plot, I swear. It reads exactly like a section from a chick lit novel where A Lesson Is Learned by a young protagonist. Maybe a Meg Cabot novel if set in a high school. And I love that term Plastics.

moonrat said...

thanks, Katherine. what you say is absolutely true, and brings up one point i *wasnt* trying to make but seems to have come out.

Bernita said...

I don't understand the point of the back-stabbing and outright lying/trouble-making either.
Don't think that ignoring them is going to work either.Makes some bullies intensify their efforts.

Precie said...

Amen to vigilance.

Cattiness (no matter what gender) is unpleasant...but I think Jackie needs to tread carefully, especially if any of these coworkers is in a position to backstab her professionally. It's a shame she has to devote energy and attention to this petty ugliness. I wish her luck dealing with it all.

Courtney said...

My first month of work, after a "plastic" left (with a whole bunch of unfinished work) my boss asked me to check her email to see if a press release was in there. I didn't find the press release, but found an email of she and three others discussing how "high school" i was and that perhaps i was drunk at work (I'd been keeping a bottle of cough medicine at my desk for a nagging cough -- they went through my desk to see what it was, the email showed). It got really mean. After fuming for the night, I got into work early and responded from teh girl's account, saying my cough was gone and asking if they had a problem with me could they please address it to my face in order to keep the workplace professional and pleasant.
They cried. It was awesome.

Merry Monteleone said...

Moonie,

Aside from the fact that some of your commenters annoyed me far more than the post's antagonists, I come bearing bad news: they never outgrow it. The ones who hit their mid-twenties and still have this kind of behavior, they always do keep that touch of mean and manipulation... and yes, it's gender neutral.

Later, these will be the nasty moms on the play ground or pre-school setting - the ones who snub their nose at other moms and don't invite every kid in the class to their precious child's birthday (but make sure to loudly proclaim how fantastic it was in front of the other kids)...

I've seen men do it, too, picking the little league baseball team because they play golf with this one's dad or giving their friends' kids the prime positions and not working with the kids whose parents they don't know or don't care for... it happens here, too, in your neighborhood where there's really no reason to be competitive or catty...

In fact, that's probably where the bitches from your story first learned their skills. Parents don't only teach good morals, you know... sometimes we f*ck them up by example more than anything.

Anonymous said...

Okay. First, I'm a guy. However, I've both discussed these situations with various and sundry females who have all had similar experrinces in their workplace and have personally witnessed these situation myself. It seems to me women on women relationships (other than realtives)break down into two broad areas (no pun intended): friends and co-workers. Women friends (again, from my male perspective) seem to be very supportive. Women co-workers, on the other hand, tend to view themselves as competitors, real or imagined. They seem to gain 'counting coups' points by diminishing the opposition. Also, where promotion is a real issue, this exacerbates the 'catty' manueverings in order to climb the promotion ladder by doing whatever they can to discredit in any way possible the opposition. Maybe I'm way out of line here, but it's simply my take having worked in various corporate environments and seeing this in action more often than not.

Anonymous said...

For my $.02, I'd like to point out that this isn't just some isolated office thing. Our whole society is rampant with this kind of behavior.

What do people expect of a generation brought up on Bratz dolls and Paris Hilton?

100 years ago, people didn't have time or energy for this kind of stuff. It's really a shame that while we make great strides in technology, we seem to be going backward socially.

It's no wonder people get so caught up in appearances and other shallow things like that, when our society emphasizes youth and beauty and sex so much.

And sadly, we all contribute to it. Who really makes any effort to combat it, or supports those who do? Mostly people who speak out against the emphasis on sex in our culture get written off as nuts or religious zealots who aren't "with it."

I find it rather ironic that people who probably write/publish a lot of sexy novels are now complaining about the result. IMO if our society didn't introduce and promote so much sex in our society, these types of "bitches" wouldn't be so numerous nor would they be tolerated.

Just my $.02!

Anonymous said...

Check this story out if you think I'm completely off my rocker:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/tcoast/epaper/2008/08/08/0808slheels.html

And just think of the generation these "bitches" will go on to raise.

I don't see how it can get much worse, but...oh, well, keep writing that erotica. The world definitely needs more erotica.

!

Stephanie said...

Those girls are the reason that some people are so opposed to us ever having a female President.

I hate when girls act like that. They give all of us a bad reputation.

cindy said...

dude.

high school is over.

grow up already.

i wasn't even like that in
high school and i truly dislike
femmes that are.

*cringes*

Anonymous said...

Why would she even IM with them? I always say my IM is on the blink or that I am swamped with work. It appears that she is being neutral but if she really wants to have integrity she should not converse at all like that.

Merry Monteleone said...

Anon 1:51,

Also, where promotion is a real issue, this exacerbates the 'catty' manueverings in order to climb the promotion ladder by doing whatever they can to discredit in any way possible the opposition.

Yeah, men have been doing this since time began - but we don't call them bitches, we usually call them "Boss"... men are just as capable of behaving badly.


Anon 2:43,

100 years ago, people didn't have time or energy for this kind of stuff. It's really a shame that while we make great strides in technology, we seem to be going backward socially.

I'm not sure exactly how this turned into a conversation about the sexualization of society... because nothing in the post said anything about these women acting provocative (other than a really inflamatory comment)... but 100 years ago women didn't have the right to vote, could not earn the same wage as men, were not allowed in many of the same professions and were largely at the mercy and whims of their husbands or male family members... Yesterday wasn't as great as you seem to think it was...

ChrisEldin said...

I'd like to see some new Google analyses after this post.
:-)


I wasn't going to read this all the way through, but I couldn't help it.
Thanks, Merry, I'd like to ditto your last post.

Anonymous said...

Merry, today should be a lot better for women than it is. We should be happier, more productive people now that we've got all of our workplace and voting rights.

So why all the bitches in the offices, then? Because women are still sexual objects, that's why.

It does surprise me how many women clutch the very chains that bind them. You think this has nothing to do with how society views sex, and as women as objects? Take those Bratz dolls I mentioned earlier. What kind of mindset do you think those girls will develop? And erotica in YA books? WHY for heaven's sake?

But I guess it's difficult to see the forest for the trees.

moonrat said...

I knew when I put this post up that there would be dialog, and I wondered about the wisdom of posting it at all, but actually I'm really interested to see what's come out of it. Overall, I'm glad I posted.

Anonymous 9:35: Interesting point. I think I agree with you.

Anonymous said...

Some women are stuck in high school forever. Well, there is that continuation of high school called "sorority," but that is specific to the sorority. (Some are service oriented.)

Twenty years ago these girls (they are not women) would be hanging around an office putting in their time until they managed to meet the lawyer they could drag down the aisle. Doesn't happen so often these days, so there isn't quite the same turnover.

Keep in mind, these are not stupid people, at least on paper. If this is a top firm, they graduated from college (usually a pricey school, not CUNY) and have some juice to get the job there. Paralegals in NY, believe it or not, is something of a glamour field.

While the marriage mart thing isn't quite so obvious as it once was, it still exists. And these poor dears are waiting for prince charming to drag them off to the burbs. You don't think you can buy Prada on a paralegal salary, do you?

The big issue here is that this sort of behavior is tolerated in business as a control. Divide and conquer still works, and the girls are easily satisfied with a pat on the head rather than demanding a salary increase.

"Boys" can also be "girly" in their behavior. With casual office attire becoming the norm, it's much easier to dismiss someone as being just a kid than someone you have to compete with. And judging someone on the basis of their dress may be shallow, but it's part of the rules, and you choose to ignore in corporate settings at your risk.

Merry Monteleone said...

Anon 9:35 (this would be alot easier with a name, but judging by context - the same anon as earlier)

Merry, today should be a lot better for women than it is. We should be happier, more productive people now that we've got all of our workplace and voting rights.

I disagree. First, I don't think we've finished yet, at least not in every case. And second, this almost sounds like (and I'm going to assume this is unintentional) but it almost sounds like you're saying that men let us have equal rights and now we should shut up and be all Pollyanna...

I'm not sure exactly where the whole Bratz, sexualization of society, YA erotica? (I have no idea about this one at all and I couldn't follow your link, so I can't comment one way or the other here) is coming into this conversation. I'm getting that you think these women and women in general act this way because they're sexually competitive? Is that it?

I can't attribute that motive to this story. Sorry. I didn't see any red flag that would say they are catty and manipulative because they are sexualized... maybe they're just @ssholes.

Sexualization of society is obviously a hot button topic for you - and I think you're perfectly within your right to pay close attention to the way women are portrayed in your vacinity (especially with regard to what your children watch and see)... I don't think you get to make the choice for everyone, regardless of how right you obviously feel about it. Bratz dolls are in business because parents are buying them and kids want them.. while I might not buy them for my daughter, I don't have any say in whether or not another parent does. I value free choice more than I do keeping sexualization away from all children, and while that might seem odd to you, I think there are certain freedoms we cannot afford to lose.

Back to the subject of the post, though, it's not all women, or all men, it's the women in this case. I've met women like this, and I've met men like this... I've met a hell of a lot more decent people than catty nasty ones... but you can't generalize someone's bad behavior and rack it up to society's percieved flaws... there is a thing called personal responsibility.

Anonymous said...

I'm going to write this anonymously so I can tell the truth. I've passed the half century mark, and I regret to inform you the behavior never stops. Every office job I've ever had (and there have been many) have been exactly this way. Every time I've begun a new one, I've told myself I'm not going to let anyone drag me into that crap this time, but as Bernita said, ignoring them just makes them double their efforts. I hated that bullshit in high school, and I hate it now with relatively the same passion I hate our current president, but I've never found an office without it. That's precisely why I don't work in offices any more, and why all my best friends have been men. It's also why I love writing. I'm home alone all day where there's nothing but my kitten's claws stabbing me in the back. Not that it doesn't happen just as much in the writing world, but when it does, I simply block that person's emails and leave them to wonder why. I avoid blogs where it goes on (and boy, would I like to name a few here) to the point that I won't even visit one with "bitch" in the title, no matter how good it may be. Just the connotation is enough to cause me to steer clear.

Anonymous said...

There is an innate competition among women - for the prettiest, best of this and that. The behavior never stops. The only cure for this behavior is a life that is so wrought with despair and poverty and struggling that they wouldn't have time for this.

Every office job I've ever had was filled with these types. Even the women bosses are like this. I have had hardly any work my whole life because most human resource people are women and they hate me on sight. This behavior is built into the female pysche, unless they are born with a gentle character or they are fighting for their financial lives.

I have two whole chapters in my memoir about these bitches.

One interviewer told me I was too pretty to be a secretary. So, I'm supposed to be ugly to eat, is that it, you bitch?

It's like this in all fields.

Let them be unemployed for a very long time with no mommy and daddy to fall back on, no husband with good money - see if they change.

paralegal education said...

oh my god. That is too immature to be true. I am shocked at people's nerve to act like that! how rude and Junior High-ish. Its ridiculous. I hope Jackie gets treated better she doesnt deserve to be treated that way.

Cheers,
Anna